Should undocumented immigrants be able to vote?
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Should undocumented immigrants be able to vote?

by chanel added 3 months ago

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  • They are denied their basic rights such as healthcare, a minimum wage, and the right to collective bargaining. Under our current rigid legal system, undocumented immigrants have no protection under the law, except in a couple of forward thinking sanctuary cities.There are many political issues that affect undocumented immigrants directly, such as amnesty, employment regulations and border controls, and yet they are powerless to influence the political process to achieve outcomes that are more favorable to themselves and their families!

    Citations:

    https://www.accredited-times.com/2016/10/11/why-undocumented-immigrants-should-be-allowed-to-vote/ 

    by chanel added 3 months ago 2 0

    Counter Argument

    1) Healthcare, minimum wages, and the right to collective bargaining are not human rights. The UN Human Rights Declaration seems like the most neutral metric for this. None of these are listed there.

    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

    2) The only human rights regarding freedom of movement are these:

    Article 13.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

     

    There is no right to enter another country illegally, or break the law there. 

    When you break the law, you are forfeiting some of your rights. Just as if you commit a serious crime as a citizen for example, you lose your freedom of movement.

    People are not powerless to influence the political process, there is a clear legal path laid out. Follow the legal immigration process like everyone else.

    by drake added 3 months ago 1 0

    Supporting Argument

    Undocumented immigrants are treated even worse, and are denied even their basic rights such as healthcare, a minimum wage, and the right to collective bargaining. Under our current rigid legal system, undocumented immigrants have no protection under the law, except in a couple of forward thinking sanctuary cities. There are many political issues that affect undocumented immigrants directly, such as amnesty, employment regulations and border controls, and yet they are powerless to influence the political process to achieve outcomes that are more favorable to themselves and their families.

    by reem added 3 months ago 0 0

    illegal immigrants already pay taxes to us, therefore they should have the right to vote since they live in america. they should be able to pick their leaders, because their leaders might affect the way they live, and it wouldn't be just right if they were to pay taxes to america and didnt have a say on the goverment. 

    by benji_billz added 3 months ago 0 0

    Counter Argument

    Paying taxes does not give you the right to vote. The same as not paying taxes does not remove your right to vote if you are a citizen.

    But ok, lets pretend that we decided that was a good idea, anyone who pays taxes is now allowed to vote. How would we even know who has paid taxes? All the undocumented immigrants are undocumented, there is no way to determine who paid and who didn't.

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    So why shouldn't they be allowed to vote if they built this country 

    by vetonmeha added 3 months ago 0 0

    Counter Argument

    At no point in American history have non-citizens been allowed to vote. Immigrants had to follow the laws that were in place at that time in history to get citizenship before they could vote. Legal immigrants would have followed the laws and eventually been able to vote. Illegal or undocumented immigrants would not have been able to vote.

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    Illegal immigrants come to this country in search of economic opportunity. They search for work and when they attain it, they pay taxes just like any other citizen. They participate directly in the economy by paying rent, paying bills, using prepaid visas, etc. 

    Source: https://www.accredited-times.com/2016/10/11/why-undocumented-immigrants-should-be-allowed-to-vote/

     

    by thatguy560 added 3 months ago 0 0

    Illegal Immigrants aren't here to cause trouble, most of them have a reason for moving. People have to be accepted to be a legal immigrant, but what people don't realize is that they just want a better life for themselves and their children. The countries that they some can't give them the opportunities like we can. We wouldn't have illegal immigrants if we were to accept a larger mass of people because everyone deserves to have amazing opportunities. They are not going to pick against what would bring the best, and yes their opinions may be different from ours, but maybe that's for the best. We just assume we have the best opinion, but what if it's not, and some people think it may be because of their beliefs, but many countries these days consist of multiple beliefs and religions. We have grown from the thought that only one belief is right. We all have our own opinion, I mean look at this debate, we are not all saying the same thing lots of you are opposed illegal immigrants voting while many think they should. We don't all have the same belief on this matter, yet you are okay with just not when it comes to helping the society become better.

    by julia added 2 months ago 1 0

    They should be allowed to vote because if they had lived in America for a certain amount of years it becomes a part of you, you will consider it your country, you are a resident and citizen. Immigrants also do alot for the country they take jobs others wouldnt, they also work hard for the country more than americans do just fix up a country that isn't their own. They shouldnt be denied of their own rights they work hard to atleast get the right to vote. 

    http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-immigrants-be-allowed-to-vote

    by izzy added 3 months ago 0 0

    We have to deal with the 11 million individuals who are here illegally. We all agree that these men and women should have to earn their way to citizenship. But for comprehensive immigration reform to work, it must be clear from the outset that there is a pathway to citizenship. http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001362

    by Remly added 3 months ago 0 0

    Counter Argument

    This is not relevant. Regardless if there is a path to legalization, the question is, should ILLEGAL/UNDOCUMENTED immigrants be allowed to vote. If legal immigrants should be allowed to vote is an entirely different question.

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    Since immigrants are residing in the United States, they should have a voice on who gets elected. 

    by dsanchez added 3 months ago 0 0

    1. Immigration Is Good for the Economy…  2. Illegal Immigrants Already Pay Taxes…  3. Most Illegal Immigrants Are Otherwise Law-Abiding…  4. Immigration Is a Natural Right…  5. There Are Too Many Illegal Immigrants to Do Anything Else."

    by kenyette added 3 months ago 0 0

    Immigrants may not be documented but most are very smart and should be able to vote 

    by ashon added 3 months ago 0 0

    Counter Argument

    Being smart or educated doesn't mean you have a right to vote. Are you saying people who are not smart or educated should lose their right to vote? Are you saying that smart/educated people all of the world should be allowed to vote in American elections because they are smart/educated?

    Regardless, there is no evidence of illegal immigrants being more educated then the average population. It seems like the opposite is in fact the case:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/majority-of-undocumented-immigrants-work-in-low-skill-jobs-report-finds/2015/03/26/dada9f2a-d3bc-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html?utm_term=.d328c643fbf1

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    It will help immigrants be treated with dignity and apart of this country. They inspire to get their green card and a work visa.

    by ricardo added 3 months ago 0 0

    They should be allowed to vote because they are the most hardworking people in America, they helped shape the country to the way it is today so why can't they have a say in who our political leaders are.

    by markeese added 3 months ago 0 0

    Undocumented immigrants should have the right to vote because they suffer just as U.S. citizens do. They have a right to speak up. Everybody, whether they're undocumented immigrants or not, suffers the same. For example a U.S. citizen who did not graduate from high school and is working as a cook earning below $1000 can struggle to pay bills on time. An undocumented immigrant can be in the same situation, only that he/she did not go to school in the States.

     

    by jose added 3 months ago 0 0

    I say its better to hear from everyone and not just the citizens of that specific state because to get everyones opinion is more of a competition and its more straight forward for everybody to have a say on who should be in control of the government 

    by alford added 3 months ago 0 0

  • Voting, like many other civil rights, should be reserved for citizens. Illegal aliens went against the law to enter this country, which makes it harder for people applying legally for citizenship to recieve it. Illegal immigrants are actively breaking the law while they are in this country and while they have a right to enjoy basic human rights such as just treatment, they should not be granted civil rights, until they become naturalized of course. 

    by thatguy560 added 3 months ago 1 0

    Supporting Argument

    In my opinion undocumented immigrants shouldn't be allowed to vote because if they aren't a citizen to the country they shouldn't have permission to vote for a leader where the government doesn't know about their existence. People will just come into the country and vote if that was the case. Most immigrants come into a foreign land for a better future for their kids. But no one forced them out their country. One of the human right is the right to live. Not letting them vote isn't a discrimmation. They are living here already. It's better than nothing. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-citizenship-voting-20141221-story.html

    by alexia added 3 months ago 0 0

    Because Illegal Immigrants are by their definition undocumented, this would greatly increase the risk of voter fraud. How would we confirm this person didn't vote multiple times under different names? Is it just supposed to be the honor system?

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    Supporting Argument

    letting immigrants vote would make voter fraud potential because than immigrants can vote twice

    by bryan added 3 months ago 0 0

    As long as they get to remain in the United States legally, they will have jumped ahead of those in their home countries who are attempting legal entry. The newly legalized illegal immigrants will be able to have children born here that will be given automatic American citizenship, with rights to a multitude of means-tested welfare benefits, and non-means-tested entitlements. These children will become the anchors for future citizenship applications from their parents. These benefits will not accrue to those who remain in their countries while attempting to come here legally. 

    by michael2 added 3 months ago 0 0

    immigrants just come to work and make more money, a better live for themselves then the one they had in there country, so they wouldnt mind who in charge as long as they are making money 

    http://immigration.procon.org/view.

    by benji_billz added 3 months ago 0 0

    The legal line has always been drawn at "Citizenship" as the requirement for voting, residence is irrelevant. American Citizens that live in other countries are still entitled to vote even if they don't live here.

    If we remove the requirement of citizenship, where do we next draw the line? Since illegal immigrants are of course undocumented, are we saying that any person that is in the country during the elections can vote? Does that include tourists? How would we tell the difference?

    What would stop a million citizens from a neighboring country entering another country and voting in their election?

    by drake added 3 months ago 0 0

    Since immigrants are not citizens, they should not be able to vote since often times they not residing here permanently. If they had papers and had to pay taxes and other things citizens have to do, then they should be able to voice their opinion on who should be elected. 

    by dsanchez added 3 months ago 0 0

    Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits). 

    by kenyette added 3 months ago 0 0

    Immigrants shouldnt be allowed to vote because they have not become legal citizens or a resident in America. They also might tend not to vote for the person who wants to stop illegal immigrants coming in. People also say that they are trying to steal our country, they also say they thet they arent benefiting the country and they say it makes the country more unsafe with all these immigrants coming in to America. 

    http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-immigrants-be-allowed-to-vote

    by izzy added 3 months ago 0 0

    If somenone breaks into my house it doesn't give them the right to stay for dinner.

    by greg added 1 month ago 0 0